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  1. phpBB3
  2. PHPBB3-8094

Text in the forums.php and install.php not matching

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    • Type: Bug
    • Status: Unverified Fix
    • Priority: Trivial
    • Resolution: Fixed
    • Affects Version/s: 3.0.4
    • Fix Version/s: 3.0.10-RC1
    • Component/s: Language pack
    • Labels:
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      Description

      In the 'forums.php' you have:
      'In phpBB3 there are no categories, everything is forum based. Each forum can have an unlimited number of sub-forums and you can determine whether each may be posted to or not (i.e. whether it acts like an old category)'
      but in the 'install.php' file:
      'During the installation process your first category and your first forum are assigned an appropriate set of permissions for the predefined usergroups administrators, bots, global moderators, guests, registered users and registered COPPA users. If you also choose to delete your first category and your first forum, do not forget to assign permissions for all these usergroups for all new categories and forums you create. It is recommended to rename your first category and your first forum and copy permissions from these while creating new categories and forums.'
      and in the another place - 'Your first category'.
      I don't know - in the phpBB3 are 'category' or not.

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          A_Jelly_Doughnut A_Jelly_Doughnut added a comment -
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          A_Jelly_Doughnut A_Jelly_Doughnut added a comment - IMO a duplicate of http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/phpbb3/7074
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          Eelke Eelke Blok [X] (Inactive) added a comment -

          Yes, it's a duplicate. I don't agree with the reason why the previous one was marked as "will not fix", though, so I suggest keeping this one open to reevaluate the issue.

          The entire confusion stems from the fact that in multiple places it is said that "phpBB3 has no categories". Well, I'm really sorry, but that's simply not true. (Again, sorry, don't mean to offend anyone...)

          Let's forget for a while the technical viewpoint that "there are no categories, everything is a forum". Architecturally, that is wonderful. First stating, however, that phpBB3 "has no categories" and later offering the option to create a forum of type "category" is just plain confusing to new users.

          When we say "there are no categories", we mean "categories like they existed in phpBB2", i.e. a completely different entity from forums. A board had one or more categories, each category had one or more forums. That was it. New users - any users, maybe - may not have a background in phpBB2. They don't care how it used to work, they care about how it works now, and here is one text saying "there are no categories", while in other places, there is clear proof, there are categories (they happen to be a special type of forum, but they are still called "categories").

          I suggest to reword the introduction to the forum administration like this:

          In phpBB3, everything is forum based, even categories. Each forum can have an unlimited number of sub-forums. You can set forums to be of type 'category', meaning they can only contain subforums and thus can not be posted to.

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          Eelke Eelke Blok [X] (Inactive) added a comment - Yes, it's a duplicate. I don't agree with the reason why the previous one was marked as "will not fix", though, so I suggest keeping this one open to reevaluate the issue. The entire confusion stems from the fact that in multiple places it is said that "phpBB3 has no categories". Well, I'm really sorry, but that's simply not true. (Again, sorry, don't mean to offend anyone...) Let's forget for a while the technical viewpoint that "there are no categories, everything is a forum". Architecturally, that is wonderful. First stating, however, that phpBB3 "has no categories" and later offering the option to create a forum of type "category" is just plain confusing to new users. When we say "there are no categories", we mean "categories like they existed in phpBB2", i.e. a completely different entity from forums. A board had one or more categories, each category had one or more forums. That was it. New users - any users, maybe - may not have a background in phpBB2. They don't care how it used to work, they care about how it works now, and here is one text saying "there are no categories", while in other places, there is clear proof, there are categories (they happen to be a special type of forum, but they are still called "categories"). I suggest to reword the introduction to the forum administration like this: In phpBB3, everything is forum based, even categories. Each forum can have an unlimited number of sub-forums. You can set forums to be of type 'category', meaning they can only contain subforums and thus can not be posted to.
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          teo951 teo951 added a comment -

          I think will be better change name 'Category' to 'Forum' and change all 'category' words related to 'forum' except type 'category'.

          In phpBB3, everything is forum based. Each forum can have an unlimited number of sub-forums. You can set forums to be of type 'category', meaning they can only contain subforums and thus can not be posted to.

          Also change 'My first category' to 'My first forum' and 'My first forum' to 'My first subforum' or
          change 'My first category' to 'My first forum type 'category'' and 'My first forum' to 'My first forum type 'subforum'' and in the 'forums.php' 'file:

          	'TYPE_CAT'			=> 'Category',
          	'TYPE_FORUM'		=> 'Forum',
          	'TYPE_LINK'			=> 'Link',

          to

          	'TYPE_CAT'			=> 'Category',
          	'TYPE_FORUM'		=> 'Subforum',
          	'TYPE_LINK'			=> 'Link',

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          teo951 teo951 added a comment - I think will be better change name 'Category' to 'Forum' and change all 'category' words related to 'forum' except type 'category'. In phpBB3, everything is forum based. Each forum can have an unlimited number of sub-forums. You can set forums to be of type 'category', meaning they can only contain subforums and thus can not be posted to. Also change 'My first category' to 'My first forum' and 'My first forum' to 'My first subforum' or change 'My first category' to 'My first forum type 'category'' and 'My first forum' to 'My first forum type 'subforum'' and in the 'forums.php' 'file: 'TYPE_CAT' => 'Category', 'TYPE_FORUM' => 'Forum', 'TYPE_LINK' => 'Link', to 'TYPE_CAT' => 'Category', 'TYPE_FORUM' => 'Subforum', 'TYPE_LINK' => 'Link',
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          teo951 teo951 added a comment -

          What's happened? Any answer?

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          teo951 teo951 added a comment - What's happened? Any answer?
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          narqelion narqelion [X] (Inactive) added a comment -

          This comes up in the support forum quite a bit. I usually explain that a 'category' is nothing more than a top level forum. Where it gets confusing for most people who have read that v3 has no categories is when creating forums in the ACP the Forum type: field drop down list shows:

          Category
          Forum
          Link

          I agree that you should either remove all documented references to "phpbb3 not having categories" to maintain consistency or simply replace the word category with a synonym like Section or Top level forum or any number of alternatives. So the drop down list for forum type could become something like this instead:

          Section
          Forum
          Link

          I agree it is a stumbling block for new users and comes up quite often in support. Many people end up asking a question like "how do I separate the forums like on this site?" which in reality ends up being how do I create categories. I think the fact that the forum type field defaults to 'Forum' creates some of the confusion as they never toggle the drop down to see that Category is an actual choice. As the discussion has led me this far I will take the opportunity to point out that I think this field would be better served listing all three options in radio button format so they are all visible by default. Similar to the account activation choices under user registration. Again just my 4 cents.

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          narqelion narqelion [X] (Inactive) added a comment - This comes up in the support forum quite a bit. I usually explain that a 'category' is nothing more than a top level forum. Where it gets confusing for most people who have read that v3 has no categories is when creating forums in the ACP the Forum type: field drop down list shows: Category Forum Link I agree that you should either remove all documented references to "phpbb3 not having categories" to maintain consistency or simply replace the word category with a synonym like Section or Top level forum or any number of alternatives. So the drop down list for forum type could become something like this instead: Section Forum Link I agree it is a stumbling block for new users and comes up quite often in support. Many people end up asking a question like "how do I separate the forums like on this site?" which in reality ends up being how do I create categories. I think the fact that the forum type field defaults to 'Forum' creates some of the confusion as they never toggle the drop down to see that Category is an actual choice. As the discussion has led me this far I will take the opportunity to point out that I think this field would be better served listing all three options in radio button format so they are all visible by default. Similar to the account activation choices under user registration. Again just my 4 cents.
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          narqelion narqelion [X] (Inactive) added a comment -

          I think the easiest solution in the 3.0.x branch is just to remove the incorrect/confusing language from forums.php and perhaps in 3.x if/when the ACP is overhauled it can be enhanced with contextual help rather than cluttering up the UI with wordy explanations of every function. Patch attached, I also replaced 'add' with 'create' to be consistent since there is no "Add forum" but there is a "Create new forum" button.

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          narqelion narqelion [X] (Inactive) added a comment - I think the easiest solution in the 3.0.x branch is just to remove the incorrect/confusing language from forums.php and perhaps in 3.x if/when the ACP is overhauled it can be enhanced with contextual help rather than cluttering up the UI with wordy explanations of every function. Patch attached, I also replaced 'add' with 'create' to be consistent since there is no "Add forum" but there is a "Create new forum" button.
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          Oleg Oleg [X] (Inactive) added a comment -

          There is no patch attached here - reopening to fix status.

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          Oleg Oleg [X] (Inactive) added a comment - There is no patch attached here - reopening to fix status.

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            • Assignee:
              igorw Igor Wiedler [X] (Inactive)
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              teo951 teo951
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