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  1. phpBB3
  2. PHPBB3-10174

Rename "Ban usernames" to "Ban users" in ACP

    Details

    • Type: Improvement
    • Status: Unverified Fix
    • Priority: Minor
    • Resolution: Fixed
    • Affects Version/s: 3.0.8
    • Fix Version/s: 3.0.13-RC1, 3.1.0-b2
    • Component/s: ACP
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      Description

      The "Ban usernames" page does not actually ban usernames. It bans existing user accounts, and if those get deleted the usernames can be used to register again. "Disallow usernames" applies to usernames.

      Suggestion is to rename "Ban usernames" to "Ban users" or maybe "Ban users/IPs".

      Support topic: http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2128917

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        thinkagain thinkagain [X] (Inactive) added a comment -

        Users can be banned by username, IP address or email address. The "Ban usernames" page does exactly what it advertises, bans by usernames. I see no reason to change something that isn't broken. One (or even a handful) of support topics from new users who have that "duh" moment when they delete previously banned usernames is not significant justification to change what is not confusing for the majority. Change should be driven by the majority for the benefit of the majority not a handful of inexperienced users who want phpbb to behave like something else or who cannot be bothered to RTFM.

        UI changes to mature software should be limited to critical bug fixes or the introduction of new features. Constant tweaking of the UI just alienates existing users because even small changes require attention be spent adapting to those changes (the unfamiliarity factor) which is time they didn't have to spend before. This generally results in resistance updating to new versions which is the opposite of what you want here. When it comes to UI change management, if it ain't broke don't fix it. How do you tell if it's broke? When you are getting the same workflows question from dozens or hundreds of people over an over. Basically your top ten FAQ's in support will tell you where you biggest UI problems are and where to focus your resources. Can almost everything be "improved", sure but just because it can does not mean it should be at the present time. The 3.0 branch is four years old now, 3.1 or 3.2 is where you can get away with significant UI changes without alienating the existing user base since a major version change is expected to have a lot of UI changes. -1 on this proposal from me.

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        thinkagain thinkagain [X] (Inactive) added a comment - Users can be banned by username, IP address or email address. The "Ban usernames" page does exactly what it advertises, bans by usernames. I see no reason to change something that isn't broken. One (or even a handful) of support topics from new users who have that "duh" moment when they delete previously banned usernames is not significant justification to change what is not confusing for the majority. Change should be driven by the majority for the benefit of the majority not a handful of inexperienced users who want phpbb to behave like something else or who cannot be bothered to RTFM. UI changes to mature software should be limited to critical bug fixes or the introduction of new features. Constant tweaking of the UI just alienates existing users because even small changes require attention be spent adapting to those changes (the unfamiliarity factor) which is time they didn't have to spend before. This generally results in resistance updating to new versions which is the opposite of what you want here. When it comes to UI change management, if it ain't broke don't fix it. How do you tell if it's broke? When you are getting the same workflows question from dozens or hundreds of people over an over. Basically your top ten FAQ's in support will tell you where you biggest UI problems are and where to focus your resources. Can almost everything be "improved", sure but just because it can does not mean it should be at the present time. The 3.0 branch is four years old now, 3.1 or 3.2 is where you can get away with significant UI changes without alienating the existing user base since a major version change is expected to have a lot of UI changes. -1 on this proposal from me.
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        igorw Igor Wiedler [X] (Inactive) added a comment -

        > Users can be banned by username, IP address or email address. The "Ban usernames" page does exactly what it advertises, bans by usernames.

        I agree with this. Banning e-mails is kind of strange anyway (we really should be banning accounts based on e-mail addresses, and then disallowing them). And we don't really have a distinction between "users" and "accounts"; "users" could also be guests. IMO it's best to leave it as is.

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        igorw Igor Wiedler [X] (Inactive) added a comment - > Users can be banned by username, IP address or email address. The "Ban usernames" page does exactly what it advertises, bans by usernames. I agree with this. Banning e-mails is kind of strange anyway (we really should be banning accounts based on e-mail addresses, and then disallowing them). And we don't really have a distinction between "users" and "accounts"; "users" could also be guests. IMO it's best to leave it as is.
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        brunoais brunoais added a comment -

        Is this rename still to be solved?

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        brunoais brunoais added a comment - Is this rename still to be solved?
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        Oleg Oleg [X] (Inactive) added a comment -

        Probably needs more discussion and consensus.

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        Oleg Oleg [X] (Inactive) added a comment - Probably needs more discussion and consensus.
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        imkingdavid David King added a comment -

        I think "Ban by username" would be appropriate if we need to change it at all. I'm fine with leaving it as is.

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        imkingdavid David King added a comment - I think "Ban by username" would be appropriate if we need to change it at all. I'm fine with leaving it as is.
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        rxu Ruslan Uzdenov added a comment -

        Actually, users can be banned by IP, by username, by email.
        So, renaming "Ban usernames" to "Ban users" may confuse one who's goung to ban someone. I think this rather makes no sense, or should be rephrased to "Ban by username" rather than "Ban users" just like pointed above by David.

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        rxu Ruslan Uzdenov added a comment - Actually, users can be banned by IP, by username, by email. So, renaming "Ban usernames" to "Ban users" may confuse one who's goung to ban someone. I think this rather makes no sense, or should be rephrased to "Ban by username" rather than "Ban users" just like pointed above by David.
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        nickvergessen Joas Schilling added a comment -

        Rxu, not really, whyn you ban an email or ip, the user can still use his account, when he changed the email and or ip. However if you ban his username the user account itself is banned.
        However I think the provided patch points that out pretty well

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        nickvergessen Joas Schilling added a comment - Rxu, not really, whyn you ban an email or ip, the user can still use his account, when he changed the email and or ip. However if you ban his username the user account itself is banned. However I think the provided patch points that out pretty well
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        rxu Ruslan Uzdenov added a comment - - edited

        Then it would sound like "Ban user account" That is, it should say exactly what it does.

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        rxu Ruslan Uzdenov added a comment - - edited Then it would sound like "Ban user account" That is, it should say exactly what it does.

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          • Assignee:
            nickvergessen Joas Schilling
            Reporter:
            Oleg Oleg [X] (Inactive)
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